Speaker 2 (00:34)
welcome everybody. I'm so glad that you're able to come and join in and chat with us as we chat with Jason and Bronwyn Irwin. They've been a part of our fair since 2020, I believe. So they've been around a while. We sure appreciate having them here.
They started Jason and Bronwyn Irwin horsemanship and their life revolves around horses. So they live in Ontario, Canada and offer training horsemanship, liberty and pole bending clinics to name a few. And they have training videos and give demonstrations at horse fairs and elsewhere at their clinics and things. Bronwyn and Jason, they enjoy working together and they coach and create content that guides people with their horsemanship.
They're also stars of the new TV show, The Horse Trainers on RFD TV Canada and the Cowboy Channel Canada. So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 4 (01:24)
That's so cool. Yeah, congratulations on that.
Speaker 2 (01:27)
Yeah, that's super. Tell us tell us a little bit about how that came about and what it looks like being on the inside.
Speaker 3 (01:28)
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:35)
Well, to make a really long story short, we were going back and forth a lot with the company that runs the two channels. And that was actually, I believe in 2020 when all the masks sort of started. And I think pretty much every business was in a little bit of a turmoil at the time. So we were going back and forth with them early in the year. And then it just kind of fell apart. Like nothing really came of it for a long time. And I think it was they were just
Basically again trying to organize everything etc. But we thought the deal was sort of Finished and then all of sudden they popped back up six months later and said you want to go ahead and do the show then they're like sure but we thought it was gone really and so anyways They said they needed if I remember correctly like 13 episodes or 15 episodes So they're like, okay, we can do that But because they kind of came up later in the year We only had actually a couple of months to film all the episodes
because they were going to start running the first of January of the year. And we got the OK, I think, in September or October. So we only had a few months. And we had to learn how to do this. But then they said, well, because of all the restrictions and stuff, we cannot send camera crews out because some of lockdown stuff and things like that. So they said, you'll have to produce it yourselves. And we wanted to do it. So we said, yes, we'll be producers. Then we had to ask them what a producer did.
Yeah, and they had to explain that to us. So we had to film and learn how to make a TV show as well. And then in a two month period, and then they wanted a trial episode, I guess you would say. So we made an episode and sent it into them. And the particular one that we sent in, they said it's really good, but it suits the one station more than the other. So you could have it on the one station, but we'll probably not put it on the second one. So
Brow and said, well, if we made up a bunch of other episodes more catered to that one, then can we get both of them? They go, yeah, sure. So he just volunteered us to double it. So we had to do 26 instead of 13. So we basically had to make two whole TV series in two months by ourselves first time out. And so it was a fair bit of confusion and stuff like that. In the beginning, we were really trying to get this down.
both of us are used to talking at events and expos and clinics and stuff, but there's also a pretty big learning curve talking to a video camera because there's zero response on the other end. And it's kind of embarrassing at times actually.
Speaker 3 (04:02)
It's like you're looking for feedback, but there is none. So you have to kind of think, okay, at the clinic, how would people take this? What I'm saying, or how would they, can they see what the horse is doing on this angle and just kind of demonstrate to the best of our abilities on camera how to do these things. So we ended up getting a couple of video cameras so that we can have different angles. And definitely it was a learning curve and we learned a lot in the first two episodes, but then we were able to change and keep evolving.
And basically we made quite a few episodes now. So think we have over 50 under her belt now, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:37)
Wow
Speaker 1 (04:38)
But no, it was definitely a curve. The first season, when I look back on it, you could see some pretty glaring mistakes in the making of it. then it played for the first and second season. And then last year we renewed for three and four. So we're just finishing up number three right now. And then it's still winter here. We've got a lot of snow. But once the snow clears, we'll start filming for season four here pretty soon.
Speaker 2 (05:02)
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:03)
It's all
because of the horse. It's amazing what horses cause us to have to learn.
Speaker 2 (05:07)
No! You're not movie producers.
Speaker 3 (05:09)
Yes
Speaker 4 (05:11)
Can you, in a million years, did you ever imagine that you'd have to be working on production stuff?
Speaker 1 (05:17)
Well, well, one thing we had to do, we had to find a guy to do an introduction for us, a voiceover and write a little bit of music for us. And I made that comment is that never in horse training did I ever think I was going to have to find a jingle writer. No, but we found one.
Speaker 3 (05:18)
no.
Speaker 2 (05:35)
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:35)
What are some other major sort of life lessons that you've learned through horses and horsemanship in this journey that we're all on?
Speaker 1 (05:43)
there are a million ways I could start on that one. What's yours?
Speaker 3 (05:42)
There's another thing.
I think everything is that you learn with horses is a reflection of life too. Like, you know, how horses teach us and what we teach horses is basically paralleled in our own lives, dealing with relationships with people as well. And maybe having a bit more, it maybe teaches us to have a bit more compassion for people and different ideas because I mean,
how many of us run into horses with different ideas than what we had or a different plan than what we thought we were going to do. And you have to be a little bit more open and open-minded and I guess less judgmental and really, I guess, yeah, just, I feel like when it comes to working with horses and stuff, it's all about, you know, respect and communication. And by practicing those things, it helps us in our own life. And I think that also, β
I like speaking for myself, working on my own personal growth and stuff like that. Working with horses has definitely helped me with that because again, you're tapping into areas that are maybe not as physical, they're more spiritual, mental, emotional, and you kind of learn a lot about yourself and you know, how to grow and how to be better and do better each day, I guess.
Speaker 1 (06:56)
I think one thing for me, would say is I think it helps a person may become a little bit of a no long range thinker. What I'm getting at here is like with horses, you do not get instant gratification. Like most of the time things that you want to teach one, you can help them today, but you're going to see the results over the course of days or weeks or months, or maybe even years if you're really going at it. So I think if somebody is a good horse person,
I do think they generally maybe plan a little bit farther out and they kind of have the broader goal in mind, not the short-term fix. And I know I hear a lot of people today say that the problem, and I don't know that's true or not, but the problem with people today is they want everything right now as you write this instant. And like that, that just doesn't going to work in the horse world. Like it doesn't, it's not part of it. that, so I think that's maybe steers people back onto maybe a slightly better track.
in that way, another way that it's helped me. Not that I'll say I have all the patience in the world yet, because I know I don't, but like when I was younger, would run out of patience really quickly. And β when I would be working with a horse, if I lost my patience, I would undo all the training I had just done and dig a hole that I now had to fix. so when I got a little smarter about it, I would feel myself getting frustrated. And then I would think,
Okay, you can look, you can get frustrated right now, but be aware that for the next week, you're going to be fixing everything. And that's so it kind of taught me, okay, like, here's a point where I just need to back off or stop for the day or just ride around and think the situation out instead of trying to ram a point home. And that's, so I do think that part of it helped me in, in several other ways, just developing a little more patience and maybe looking at it again, a little bit longer range.
Speaker 2 (08:40)
Right. Yeah. I love that horses, they do, cause you to look long-term and they also cause you to have to focus on like your inside and being in the moment. And it's like, it seems almost like two different things, but they come, they come together with horses just seamlessly because you've got to be in the moment with that horse right then and there. But you also need to be looking at like what
are you building in right now because some little things, even some things that you know, maybe we've trained horses to do in the past, later on you realize, boy, long term, that was probably not beneficial. Right. And it's a growth. It's a growth and you learn more and more and each horse is unique.
Speaker 4 (09:24)
And that's a sort of a past, present and future, right? So we kind of that past horse and possibly it's past experiences and baggage that it has now, we need to understand this. But then there's the in the moment aspect of I need to be there present with my horse and not overly analytical, but going along with Phil together. And then there's ride for tomorrow, kind of like you were saying with, you know, I know how well we did today based on, you when I go get my horse tomorrow, right? If that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (09:40)
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:52)
that writing for tomorrow or sort of project like use of projecting a longer future goal. So important.
Speaker 2 (09:58)
Do you have any horses that have been kind of key in helping guide you on your path? Would you say?
Speaker 1 (10:05)
I'll let you take that because I know the horse you gotta chase.
Speaker 3 (10:08)
Yeah,
well, you know, I would say every horse definitely no matter what has always taught me a lesson, whether it's a good lesson or a lesson to steer clear of next time. But my main horse, my paint horse is Chief and I would say he's probably affected my life the most positively and even Jason's life just he's been quite a special horse. He's a buckskin paint. So I think that
just showing up with him somewhere. He carries himself nicely and he's a really good horse. And I think people are attracted to him. He also has a way with people that I compete in the rodeo just as a side note in pole bending and barrel racing. And so he's my pole bending horse. And when I do take them to crowds of people, kids will come up to him, he'll drop their head and, you know, it'll show them attention. And he kind of reads people and it's really, β
a nice way to have horses to read people because it's just, I don't know, you take them somewhere and people connect with him and it gives them a positive experience with horses and he enjoys it too. But when I got Chief, he was a regular ranch broke gelding. Jason and his dad actually picked him up down in Southern USA, brought him back up here. And at the time Jason and I were dating. we're having ice cream, I have to say this, and we're eating ice cream and
We're in Toronto and I said, so what'd you get on this little horse? As he says, you got a bay and a Palomino and a buckskin paint. And I'm like, what is a buckskin paint? Cause I'm coming from the English world, know, Bay's black solid colors. And, and so I said, could you please send me a picture of him when you get home? And he did. And I looked at him and I thought, my goodness, I need this horse. And so I said,
I was boarding three horses at a time. And I said to my mom, you know, I think I'll start giving lessons, but I need the right lesson course. And then lo and behold, chief was going to be the lesson course. And I've never taught a lesson on that horse. have to say that right now, but I got him home and he was a good range broke gelding. seen a lot of things. Now he didn't know much about like official training for pole bending or barrel racing. So I started that work with him.
Speaker 1 (12:09)
It made a good story.
Speaker 3 (12:21)
and he helped me live out one of my biggest dreams of all time, which was competing at the Royal Winter Fair. They have, I thought to be honest, in my journey, I was gonna be there doing show jumping, but I was in the rodeo doing the full bending, the top six or eight people.
competing in the rodeo tour, qualified and he qualified me for a few years in a row. And I have to say, I was a really big thrill, like 2000 people in the Coliseum. it's just a fantastic experience, but it really, he helped me focus on my horsemanship and learn that every little thing matters. Because when you're dealing in a timed event, even though it may seem a little Yahoo,
It depends on how you take your training program. And I really try to focus on the horsemanship part and perfecting all of the little things. So he really helped me along my path of becoming a better horsewoman because I needed to know how do I make this horse who's just a regular ranch bred gelding, not bred any specific way, maybe a little slow putted to be honest, how do I make them competitive with all of these great running horses? And you do that by
not having a timeline in particular, but working on every little thing and being consistent and disciplined in doing those things. But he's a great partner too, and he showcased definitely our training program for us. He knows how to do the Liberty work and he knows how to do tricks. And it's just, he's a really good ambassador for us and we love him for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:48)
No, he's a good one. For me personally, I don't know as much that I have one horse that I would say this is the one that really do whatever. With me, I used to ride a lot of horses for other people that were sort of problem horses and difficult horses. And actually, I think I probably ended up learning more from that than I did some of the ones that maybe could get classified as the better ones. I remember one particular gelding.
and he was extremely feely, like explosive. Not that he would fuck you off, but it's just if you just squeeze with your leg and you want to turn, move one foot over, he would basically whip around three times and stuff like that. And it was just a horse that forced you to learn how to ride ultra quiet and how to get really in feel with one. And I've kind of made the comment sometimes that some of the horses you learn the most from
or the ones you'd like to never see again. that, but they are, is sort of the, sometimes I think the tougher ones that really push, bring you out of your bubble. You really have to look at it from a different angle or really think about it in the regular method. Maybe he isn't really going to work all that well. You have to come at it from a different point of view. And I think those are actually sometimes the horses I've learned the most from. They're maybe not necessarily the ones that I've enjoyed the most, but they're the ones that look back on it.
picked up more from them than the ones that were really easy.
Speaker 2 (15:11)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. It's, it's the ones, you know, I've had horses that that you go along the journey with them and they give you so much and they're so much fun and they're just they're an inspiring horse that you just want to get out to and it it and feels amazing. And then I can relate to the ones where you just, you don't want to see them ever again. And I think that people sometimes they need to recognize the horse that they have. And
make note of if what is that horse for them because that's important too. Sometimes you can find better matches depending. We get that question asked a lot and the
Speaker 4 (15:46)
But I think, you know, when you've got these horses that are more time consuming or we learn so much more about ourselves. And so maybe at the time there, it's not as pleasant to be with that horse. But when you look back, it's where you make a lot of gains and learn those challenges because we do need somewhat of a challenge to stay engaged. Right. So that is just like horses, a little challenge is good, right? Not getting over our heads, but a little is good. And
Yeah, I mean, it's, would say similar for me, not necessarily, I have a horse that taught me a lot, but I think it's those horses that were a little more emotional or the horses that just didn't have the greatest start by other people. And then they came into my life. And then I took over with that horse. And I do agree that that's where, when I like think back, that's where I probably learned the most about myself as well. So that's a really, that's really interesting.
Was there a particular like instructor or mentor that really kind of helped change your philosophy or really helped you out? Is there anybody that really stands out in your mind as impact?
Speaker 1 (16:49)
Yeah. with me, I would say not as much. And it's not that I'm not trying to give credit, but I was more of a self-taught trainer. So like I would now having said that I did not invent the methods. It's like, I I, I think read every book that's ever been published that had the word horse typed anywhere in it. And that, and all the DVDs, the DHS is when I was younger and stuff, but
We were, β when I was younger, we were buying a lot of horses that I was training and then we were selling and that, so I think the biggest influence on me was just that I had so many to work with. So like, for instance, one day just for something to do, I was adding up how many horses I should rot should be riding in a day. how many that, β so for instance, we had 20 some that I had to start and then.
the older horses added on in theory, I should have been riding 37 head a day at one point there. Now obviously I can't get through that many and that, but they just give you an idea how many I had kind of waiting for me. Like as soon as I got through some, you're on to the next ones. So I do think I was more self-taught in a way. One thing that it sounds like it's really maybe too simple, but when we were switching from just being trainers to clinicians,
I did really like asking the other clinicians their advice on the industry. And again, this fact sounds almost so simple, it's silly, but I was talking to one pretty known clinician and I kind of made the comment like, where is it sort of at in this industry? Like what's your overall advice? And he's just, again, simple. says, helping people. And he said, at the end of the day, nobody cares if you can do something and nobody cares if you want something, it's that can you help them?
do something. And that and again, it sounds like common sense, but I really like, yeah, that is really true. So I've really tried to go along and I think I'm speaking for both of us, but this part, but we've really tried to have it like, how can we help you as the clinic participant or use the lesson student, get the most from this, it really doesn't mean a thing if one of us can get on and get it done. I mean, it's nice, but like, it's not our horse either. It's the rider that has to get along with it.
person that's working with them on the ground. So I think that very simple piece of advice has been really instrumental to us.
Speaker 3 (19:07)
I would say as far as a coach or mentor, had, I came from such a different background compared to Jason because growing up with not horses, like around my family, we were not, like my family didn't own horses. So I always had to take riding lessons. So I had a ton of coaches and input and hand in making me a strong rider. the one thing that I would say was a really positive was
One of my best friends who I played hockey with and rode horses with, she had her own farm and had a ton of horses there of all different types and sometimes some pretty rough customers too for horses. And instead of being under maybe someone's watchful eye, we got to go and experiment a little bit more and maybe learn it as opposed to just be told it. And I think that that really helped me develop confidence around horses and
I just think it gives you a much better experience when you're able to do it yourself, as opposed to always just kind of go by the book and be told kind of the rules of it. The other thing is I have to say that when Jason and I got married and I moved up here and I was full time working with Jason here, helping him out on the farm and watching Jason work with horses was something that I had never seen before because again, with my formal background in English riding,
I had never really worked around someone doing the natural horsemanship way, the more how does a horse feel about this? How can I do it better? That kind of way. Yes, we consider the horse's feelings in the English world, but it was a little bit more formal, like, okay, go do this. All right, we'll just do it as opposed to, I wonder what the horse thinks about this. I wonder how β I can communicate better with the horse.
Just watching his way and watching how he communicates with them was really inspiring to me to become a better horsewoman really to keep up.
Speaker 2 (20:58)
you
Speaker 1 (20:58)
that note, it was basically... Next question.
Speaker 2 (21:00)
I wanted to ask a quick, you have a breeding program, right? On the farm. Can you tell us a little bit about about that? And do you notice similarities and in, you know, some of the horses that have been bred in your program, that, you can kind of pick out and that might be interesting for people to hear about.
Speaker 1 (21:18)
We have 20, I think this year we'll be breeding 23 mares. We've got three stallions. We're in the quarter horse business and ours are more ranch brand.
focused on the Hancock's but the horses we pick tend to have that in them so we've got it even.
Speaker 2 (21:34)
And I'm just going to interrupt you quick. think your speakers or microphone might have moved. Just the sound got a little. β
Speaker 1 (21:43)
Is that any different? Okay.
Okay. And that, but I know we're just, I say we've got quite a few mares and stuff and we're going along. Our breeding program is always expanding a little bit every year. Every year we had a few more mares and then we did the year before. But yeah, ours do tend to have, there are a lot of similarities and I don't think that a lot of people realize how much temperament breeds true. So.
Not that every horse has to have famous parents by any stretch of the imagination, but if you have a line of horses that is really nice to get along with, that does tend to keep coming out again and again. And I notice here even like if we breed the same mares to the same stallion, I can very often go out and have a pretty good guess as to what each colt is going to act like, even though there's a whole bunch of half brothers and half sisters, just knowing that the mare is a little bit different. So I...
I've really, I really enjoy the breeding of horses and that it's just one of those things that the line is always you breed the best of the best and hope for the best. Like there is no true science to it. And I know some people try to let on a little bit like there is, and there is to it. I mean, there is to a degree, but I mean, it's always a little bit of a gamble, no matter what you do. And, but it's a lot of fun and we're always just trying to raise something better than what we had last year. And we have again, the three stallions. So we'll kind of play around a little bit like.
This mayor maybe crosses this way on this stallion, but we'd like to tweak such and such. So we'll try her on the, this other horse next year and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (23:09)
Yeah. And how are your, how do the babies grow up? they out in fields and larger herd?
Speaker 4 (23:15)
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:16)
Yeah, we try to have it that way. We intentionally fold a little bit later. So like our first babies start to come in late April and the majority come in May. And we just find that simpler. It is really cold here and winters are long. So people definitely do fold out in January, February here, but it's just for our purposes. The little bit we gained from those early folding dates, I feel like all the extra work and having the folds in the barn instead of out on pasture, we just would rather keep it the way we.
have it now and stick with their spring bowling.
Speaker 3 (23:47)
And when you have a breeding program, like, β where you actually start your own horses and stuff, you get a really good feel for what they are. And I think you can really appreciate them then, or say, geez, this is maybe a horse that's a little harder to get along with for people. But, for the most part, we really have really good minded colts and it's just a really nice group to work with. So.
Speaker 1 (24:10)
That's actually a good point because I have noticed that in the past, like people that raise horses, but have never trained any of their own, they'll think they really, they'll be going down one path and there's some changes they should have made in this, but they won't know it because they're not the one actually getting on those horses. And that where with us, like, because we do start so many of our own, you can be like, okay, this really worked. Like this one, this one here, this group here is spot on.
This one, think next time we should cross it a different way. Like tweak it a little bit. And I think that way, like actually, if you kind of look at some of the different, I don't know as much as in the English world, but a lot of the Western programs that have done really well were actually developed by trainers that felt they could raise better horses than what they were being sent and that, but they were just constantly tweaking, but they were the ones always getting on. So they knew which ones really were the ones that you wanted to go on with.
Speaker 4 (25:02)
Right, that's a really good point. From a mindset standpoint and from a smooth, smoothness standpoint, comfort standpoint, that's so true. You're actually getting out and then riding firsthand so you'd know more than anybody would about that horse.
Speaker 2 (25:02)
Yeah.
Yeah, so if you're looking for a good solid horse, we know where people should go. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And actually, just speaking of that, how can people find out more about you? What are the best, best avenues for that?
Speaker 3 (25:21)
You
Speaker 1 (25:31)
Sure. Well, the horsemanship part of it, our website is www.thehorstrainers.com. And then on Facebook, it's Jason Andromino and Horsemanship. And then the breeding program, they'll follow us more under the farm, which is North Star Livestock. So it's just northstarlivestock.com.
Speaker 2 (25:48)
You have to ask you guys with the video taping, know, who was it? Because it was probably hard for you to both be working together. So somebody had to be on the cameras and it sounds like you had a couple different angles. How did you work that?
Speaker 3 (26:00)
ever.
Speaker 1 (26:01)
Usually it was actually just the pair of us because a lot of it, what we were doing was more instructional things. So it was really only focused on one person most of the time. So very often what we would do is set up a stationary camera and then have another one where one of us was running it while the other one was working. But then sometimes too, we would get my younger brother and he would run one as well. And then it was just a way to have both of us on. So we did have to experiment.
back and forth quite a bit. Like we've done several different setups and tried a lot of different things to make it work.
Speaker 4 (26:33)
Right. And I don't think a lot people realize how much effort goes into getting a horse out and then making a video. I mean, you'll have technical difficulties where say like a microphone won't work and you can't figure out why is my microphone not working right now? Or, I mean, it's almost like.
Speaker 2 (26:48)
against your jacket at an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (26:50)
Yeah
Speaker 4 (26:51)
I
you can't use that clip. had a really good clip going with a horse, but you realized the sound was, it was windy or something. And I, you know, I just don't think there's ever an ideal, like perfect situation, but we all have to get started in our own way. And you know, you've helped me a lot with that is I always think like, I always expected, well, everything's gotta be perfect, but then it won't happen. You just have to get going and get, you know, start and do it and learn as you go and not be afraid of, of, you know,
Yeah, if it's not perfect, I guess, right.
Speaker 3 (27:21)
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:21)
Well, we made a video here this last year for a film festival and it seemed like it just took us forever to get this thing filmed. And every time we would go out to film something, there was always a problem. There is a technical problem or the wind would pick up the moment we stepped out the door, which would cause the rustling. And it just seemed like this was the video that was never meant to be.
And then, and I don't know how many months we were filming this over and it really wasn't a long movie. That was the thing. Like if we were trying to make a six hour epic, this would be something maybe understandable. β We had, we made a 30 minute one and actually it turned out well in the end, but I mean, it was a lot to put together 30 minutes and that, but like just to give you an idea, one day we were trying to film for the show.
Speaker 3 (27:55)
But I
Speaker 4 (28:07)
day.
Speaker 1 (28:09)
And again, same situation, the wind would be there, it start to rain or there would always be a problem. So one day I was away at a clinic and Brahma thought she would get started herself. So she set up a stationary camera and just filmed an introduction just to have something on film. And in the entire time I've been here, which is 20 some years, there's been a total of two of those like little dust doubles that look like a little mini tornadoes, they're only, all they do is move the grass around.
So, Bron set up the camera with the tripod, went to film, a little mini tornado slash dust devil appears, knocks the camera over and disappears again. So, in 20 some years, it takes that moment in that exact location to have our camera in the church.
Speaker 3 (28:52)
It picks my jacket up off the fence and sends it flying like 30 meters in the air like, whoa!
Speaker 4 (28:58)
No.
Speaker 1 (28:59)
Another day we were filming it. I don't know how many takes we did and it just wasn't working and something would always go wrong and we finally got it working. I was on a roll. Everything was going along fine. Somebody drove down the road that recognized us, laid on the horn and waved at us. And it just shot the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (29:16)
all this.
Speaker 2 (29:19)
man.
Speaker 3 (29:20)
β my god.
Speaker 1 (29:22)
your
Speaker 2 (29:22)
you
Speaker 1 (29:23)
Honestly, when I look back on it, can't think of it. We got chased out from the rain. don't know how many times it'd be sunny day and then we'd have to quit because it was raining because as soon as we got filming it started to rain. So I guess just one of those things like what you mentioned that part of it, you need it to be good but not perfect. And I think that's pretty true because as far as there's a saying, I guess, in movie making that says never work with kids or horses.
We definitely found out the worst part of it when we were trying to film all of it.
Speaker 2 (29:51)
Yeah, that's funny. So then do you edit your videos too or does
Speaker 1 (29:55)
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:56)
Yeah, right to the point where it's sent to the station, we send it in. So yeah, we do everything as far as the editing and in addition of making commercial cuts and we did our commercials and yeah, everything.
Speaker 1 (30:09)
there was a trick to that too, because like when we making a, like we make videos that will sell and that, but the nice thing with those is that there's no particular cutoff point. So if it was going to be roughly an hour, if it turns out to be 70 minutes long, that's fine. If it's 58 minutes and 20 seconds, that's fine too. Where the show, because it's a half hour slot, it has to be 22, 30 spot on. So sometimes it's hard to know where to.
go in and cut out a little bit of time because you don't want to miss a point. But at the same time, realistically, you're not going to get every little tiny point in. You just have to sort of hit the broad strokes of any particular topic and then
Speaker 3 (30:48)
which
I can speak very fast. in the first few episodes, I'm like, I'm trying to get every point out because I mean, the whole thing doesn't make sense unless I get everything in there. But now I'm like, okay, it's okay. We don't have to have everything.
Speaker 2 (31:01)
Yeah, it's that learning curve. think all of that, that, you know, sort of discussion around it doesn't have to be perfect. Sometimes you just need to get going and get momentum and all of that applies to the horses and the horsemanship as well. You know, it's just, it's, it's part of the journey. It's, you know, you're okay wherever you're at, you're just fine. Cause that's where you're at. And that's good.
Speaker 1 (31:20)
That's true. think when I was, before we got into the clinic end of things, being totally honest, I don't think I maybe gave the brand name clinicians their due because I was, I would look at the training strictly from the training point of view. That was the only thing I was interested in was the training part of it. And now when I look at, like at the different clinicians are back on the ones that I was sort of learning from, you're like,
you had to allow for that they had to be good with the horses, but they had to be good with the people they had to know about technology or filming or, at least being presentable on film, like knowing how to put things in a way that people would understand. And there's a lot of other things to maybe the clinic part of it that yeah, it doesn't fit under horse training, but it's, it's, if it's not as important, it's pretty darn close because if you can't get your points across or if you can't
help the people in the way that they'll understand it, then the rest of it really doesn't matter. Again, it kind of comes back to that point. If you know about it, that doesn't really matter that much, is how much you can get it across.
Speaker 2 (32:20)
it's about the people. Yeah. Well, great.
Speaker 1 (32:22)
Like I know you're really spreading the world and really spreading the word and trying to help people with their horsemanship and you've put together so many different people from all different backgrounds and put them into one place that folks can learn from. And I really think it's this type of thing that really advances the horse world. think there needs to be, I think there's lots of people trying, but I mean, like the masses of horse people.
don't really have somebody that they can go to. They don't have a world champion trainer around the corner from them. And stuff like this, I think is really important that they can go to a place where there is so many different ideas and so many thoughts and so many things they can take home and experiment and put in place with their own horses. And I think just the more information, the better really.
Speaker 2 (33:03)
it's like that library of books and videos you're talking about. It wasn't one particular person. It was the whole thing, you know, that you read every book that has the word horse in it. That's a big part of it. yourself to all of the different thoughts and ideas and then finding the pieces that work best for you and your horse in that moment today. And it might be different tomorrow. And that's me
thank you. And thanks to everybody who joined in.
